INTP
INTPs are curious, imaginative, and insightful. They enjoy using their mind to find creative solutions to complicated problems. INTPs are fascinated by ideas, and seek to understand the world through logical analysis. Independent and introspective, INTPs often enjoy a challenge and thrive in fast-paced dynamic environments.
INTPs are future oriented, always open to new possibilities and theories. They may, however, be reluctant to form an opinion or draw a conclusion until they have analyzed it critically. INTPs often require time alone to focus and contemplate ideas in depth, and may be hesitant to voice their opinions on the spot. Once they have considered a theory or situation, they often quickly zero in on the core of the issue. They are adept at understanding systems and conceptual models, and constantly seek to increase their knowledge about the world and how it works. INTPs are often eager to jump head-first into a project, and tend to ignore procedure, preferring to discover their own path.
Logical and analytical, INTPs may appear detached or overly critical to others who are more sensitive. They are generally tolerant of others and opposing viewpoints, however, and simply strive for precise and efficient communication. Although they often prefer to work independently, INTPs often appreciate a collaborative environment where innovative ideas and solutions are valued. They value intelligence and ingenuity, and typically hold themselves and others to high standards.
INTP Type Dynamics
The core of the INTP personality type is Introverted Thinking. This dominant function guides the way INTPs make sense of things in their own internal mental process. Using Introverted Thinking, they seek orderly, systematic and logical thinking. They reflect to create rational understanding within their own minds.
The auxiliary function for INTPs is Extraverted Intuition. This mental function supports their dominant Introverted Thinking to help them take in information about the world around them. Using Extraverted Intuition, INTPs analyze meaning and connections in the world around them. They scan their environments for new ideas and possibilities for innovation.
The tertiary Sensing function is less developed for most INTPs, especially early in life. When this function is not well developed, they may have trouble noticing present realities and facts about the physical world.
The inferior function for INTPs, or that function which is least likely to be conscious and well developed, is Extraverted Feeling. When this function is not developed, they can have trouble noticing the emotional experience of other people and considering their needs.
Famous INTPs
Famous INTPs include Albert Einstein, Thomas Jefferson, Rene Descartes, Charles Darwin, Marie Curie, C.G. Jung, Socrates, and Abraham Lincoln.
INTP at Work
At work, the INTP is motivated to solve complex problems in an original, innovative way. Architects want to analyze systems and ideas thoroughly to create deep understanding, and enjoy designing creative solutions to highly abstract problems.
INTPs rarely have much interest in organizational traditions, preferring to forge their own path to innovation. They hate being limited by bureaucracy and rules, and are often more in tune with the theoretical soundness of their ideas than they are with the practical applications. They typically prefer to focus on creating the idea, and to leave the tedious details of implementation to someone else.
INTPs work best independently or with a small team of colleagues that they perceive as smart, competent, and logical. They quickly tire of colleagues who are aggressive or overbearing, and can be dismissive of people who aren't as clever as themselves.
An ideal organization for an INTP is flexible and non-traditional, and values ingenuity over conformity. An ideal job for an INTP allows them to address complex theoretical or technical problems with creative, novel solutions.
Popular Careers for the INTP
Top careers for the INTP include:
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Comments
Ever notice how life seems to
Ever notice how life seems to make more sense in retrospect than when we're actually going through the individual events of our lives? I know a catholic nun that said that by the time each person is on their deathbed, their whole life story will make sense to them. She said that some people have a straightforward path to God, while others have a long, winding, and complicated way to God.
St. Lucia (of the Fatima apparitions) in an interview said that many people will end up loosing their way. The interviewer tried to turn it around to make it more positive, but St. Lucia insisted that many people will loose their way in this world.
One teaching that counteracts this is the teaching of St. Faustina Kowalska - through her apparitions she showed that devotion to God's mercy can provide a new way to preventing ourselves from being lost and that absolution will be granted to those who go to confession and take communion on Mercy Sunday - the sunday after Easter sunday.
Einstein thought about things like predestination because it was a saying of his that something like "All those who believe in predestination still look both ways when they cross the street".
The movie "Serendipity" shows that there is something more to life - that things aren't just coincidences.
Some of these things raise moral dilemas. Even if there is predestination our daily choices shape our future moment by moment. More about this in "Success is not an Accident" book by Tommy Newberry.
Yes! Joseph Prince is
Yes! Joseph Prince is amazing. I too fitted the intp personality type and I can say its Only Jesus Christ that fills the empty void of people not understanding me. Since finding him I have gone from believing that life is a complex paradox to the fulfilling understanding that there is a God that knows how I feel and he provides me with complete inner peace and joy at all times. I am so happy right now. Halleluyah!
As we all have deep abstract concepts. A dialogue about life is not complete without the acknowledgement of philosophical realms.
Word up...I am an INTP...to
Word up...I am an INTP...to me it doesn't make since that I truely without question believe in question. I guess almost think, the because I (myself) believes in him, then it is true, becaue I would never believe in something that is not logic. Although, maybe who the earth was created out of nothing, is less logical than God exisiting...I can't believe I actually typed that, but I know there is something out and I choose love...as we know, love is sacrafice...
I have to say...reading what you wrote, may have help in ways I'm not able to type. I am having troubles, but I remember, I didn't created me and HE did. Oh no, "I was Born This WAY!"...it's wild quoting that, but as an INTP I believe that. There is no end, only paths and desicions and journeys. I know HE has to look it that way...but is that because I am INCP.
Sorry for an Incomplete thought,,,I AM INCP...lol PARTY. Hope only for an ouch of peach for everyone, but especially you!!!
I laugh at you. LOLOLOL.
I laugh at you. LOLOLOL.
I disagree with Multiple
I disagree with Multiple things you said.
1) Logic is the ego trying to make sense of everything. False. Ego comes from the self, logic comes from math. There is nothing egotistical about looking for answers. It's only egotistical if you construct your own answers to satisfy your "not knowing"- This detours the search for truth. Logic is a tool we have to exploit and better understand that which we "do not know." I think this is humble when used properly.
2) We all know there is a God. False. I don't know this. Apparently you do. Only the fool claims to know that which he does not know. Only an egomaniac claims that everyone knows that which we he does not know.
3) I'm glad you feel stronger, but you're no INTP pal. You just told a bunch of INTPs to melt logic from our hearts. Our primary mode of living is introverted thinking. In fact, by logic, you are saying, "Don't be INTPs, love jesus." I think you have some nerve- maybe you are an INTP hahahah
finally, after reading some
finally, after reading some of the previous comments (which by the way were very one sided, judgmental, and probably not from INTP's) I was beginning to think I was on the wrong web page, but you thought through your comment to form well put opinions.
think I found another true INTP.
sorry about my grammar, spelling, and overall english
Agree and ditto.
Agree and ditto.
THANK YOU. Took the words
THANK YOU. Took the words right out of my mouth.
Indeed, I agree with the last
Indeed, I agree with the last couple of posts. Has INTP's it seems we would be the type most likely to understand that we lack the ability to truly understand "god" much in the same way we can't truly understand the 4th deminson.
I mean I'll admit the possibilty that some kind of god exists. But to say he exists without a shade of a doubt even with a lack of any evidence, just doesn't sound like an very INTP thing to do. Besides an INTP sould realize the fallacy that is absolute truth.
So true, we can't possibly
So true, we can't possibly fathom the idea of creationalism without thorough evidence it is a legitimate concept. You cannot possibly be an INTP if you can go through with the belief of a higher power without scientif evidence.
sorry but i'm an INTP and i'm
sorry but i'm an INTP and i'm a Christian so think about that the next time you post something like this.
For clarity's sake, and as a
For clarity's sake, and as a matter of house-keeping, you should know that I am not the "guest" whom you have previously been arguing with. I find the highly emotional conversation that has been occurring to be extremely disappointing. As INTP's, we are "Truth Seekers"(Personality Page). Approaching any topic with such rigid, dogmatic stances is non-conducive to acquiring truth. If we truly care about discovering the reality of nature, why are we so afraid of other people proposing new ideas and theories, another thing INTP's are stated to love, that could possibly hold some truth to them? And, if we here a theory that is logically unsound, why respond with such fierce emotion? It is better to simply point out the error in reasoning and continue on with the dialog. To the guest who stated that "Logic is the enemy", I would like to remind them that they are talking to, and supposedly are themselves, people who "deal with things rationally and logically"(Personality Page), so asking the audience to forsake logic seems out of the question. Also, I would remind the guest that logic is the basis of science and engineering, which has given us such benefits as antibiotics, automobiles, the cure for polio, clean energy, the computer, and all reliable knowledge about the functioning of the known universe. Logic is the only available means to attain a genuine knowledge of the observable universe. In this light I find the statement that "Logic is the enemy" to be extremely hard to defend, and would be interested in hearing the guest's arguments supporting their position. I also found the statement "The only way to be a happy INTP is through Jesus Christ", to be unwarranted and fallacious. I will take your word for it and assume that you are indeed an INTP and not some type of personality imposter, and I will grant you that you may have been unhappy as a non-christian and that you are more happy now that you believe. These facts do support the belief that one can be an INTP and be happy, but in no way validate the stance that Christianity is the ONLY means by which an INTP can be happy. I have met and talked to many INTP's who are not Christians, but are quite satisfied with their lives. Finally, to the guest who posted " You cannot possibly be an INTP if you can go through with the belief of a higher power without scientif evidence" I would caution against using such absolutist phrasing. Just because we are rational does not mean we are perfectly rational, and just because we are logical does not mean that our logic is unaffected by emotion that can lead us far from the truth. I am glad that their is such a community of people devoted to a scientific and rational understanding of the world. Seek truth. Question everything. Be open-minded.
(To those who are interested I am a positive atheist towards theistic gods, and a negative atheist towards deistic gods.)
Great housekeeping! I just
Great housekeeping! I just want to touch on a couple of things. You were right in pointing out rational vs perfectly rational. I'd just add that our type has a preference toward these domains, capacity is another subject.
Secondly, and to possibly help out the Christian poster in an INTP fashion, maybe the poster was using figurative language to illustrate a pressing point in his or her life. "Logic is the enemy" imo is a teneble position, even for an INTP, although I take it to be a bit more Judging than Perceiving, but that's beside the point. I say this because logic can betray some real questions about existence itself and consciousness, something we know practically nothing about. So using crude logic, our opinions are bullshit, because all came from nothing or stardust, or whatever first cause theory one might hold to. So, logic does function as a barrier to those who perceive consciousness as a gift and God(by any definition) as a goal. I'm not a Christian, but I think the Christian narrative is quite comprehensive, especially for the poor.
I'm a Certified INTP here who
I'm a Certified INTP here who is also a Christian. I resonate with what everyone is saying here. I am a passionate believer in Christ. But I also struggle with things like the problem of Evil, and wishing for more tangible presence of God in my life. Too often it's simply a set of beliefs. But I can say from experience that I am happier when I focus on seeking God's will and serving others, instead of myself. For example, I was a full-time musician for several years after college, and while I was fortunate to pursue my dream career with moderate success, it simply didn't provide enough for my family. So at my wife's "nudging" and against all my personal desires (and even some of my own logic), I switched to a career as a programmer. And I am even happier doing this work and providing for my family is more rewarding than I would've guessed. I had to do what really didn't make sense for me, and it turned out my original assumptions were wrong. This whole experience has been humbling and wonderful.
But to respond to the statement that "logic fails", there's some real truth to that. To anyone who'd read "Godel, Escher Bach", which I highly recommend, (and I know his thesis is to disprove God via mental/psychological explanations of paradoxical loops, a conclusion with which I disagree) he talks about about Godel's incompleteness theorem, which itself proves that even math itself cannot be fundamentally "proven". That there will always be inconsistencies and paradoxes and suggesting that even math may just be a mental construct.
I would suggest that as INTPs we are attracted to systems of thought that hinge on one or two basic ideas that we've chosen to accept. And we carry out our logic quite rigorously from there. For some (and many INTPs), the IDEA of science is overwhelmingly powerful and seems like the most tangible proof of truth. And I'm highly sympathetic towards that. So much so, that it even makes me doubt my faith sometimes. But this very base level idea must be seen as a basic assumption. And for a "believer" who is an open-minded honest thinker (not just accepting what your sunday-school teacher said as ultimate truth), we accept that physics and math have limitations and do not adequately explain all of our our experiences, and don't even fully explain themselves.
So I have immense respect and sympathies for both parties. But neither should demean the other. I believe my views and experience have put me in a position to appreciate the validity of both views. I find great arrogance in the person who thinks the logical thinking of INTPs will guarantee truth. Claiming ultimate truth is a very scary thing to me. It led to the Spanish Inquisition and to Stalin's Gulags ; to the crusades and to the Holocaust. Of course many factors are involved there, but at some level, many people believed they were honoring the truth.
I studied Philosophy in college fearing that it might make me lose my faith, knowing that I am a logical person. My faith came out even stronger, yet I had great appreciation for systems of thought that only accept the possitively-provable. But ultimately every single system of thought has flaws, inconsistencies and basic improvable assumptions. And that system of thought cannot often even see it's own basic assumptions. But without some basic assumptions, there cannot really even be thought at all. We have assume some things. So we have to "try on", if temporarily, different ways of thinking and see what "seems" to be the best system. And frankly, I don't think there's any better way to truth. And I realize this may be dissatisfying. But to have any more confidence than that is not self-reflective or honest.
I guess what I am asking for is open-mindedness from everyone. It's not wishy-washy. But knowing that by changing only a few of the basic assumptions, you yourself could hold very different values. For me, the "Unmoved Mover" (IE causality iteslf) is an argument sound enough to start building a whole world view from. But I respect not just you as a person, but even your way thinking if you don't find that persuasive. So let's all be intellectually honest and humble enough to respect other views as "logical" even though we hold a different set of beliefs or assumptions. What do you say?
You aren't an INTP. Go take a
You aren't an INTP. Go take a different test.
Truth is, there is no 100%
Truth is, there is no 100% proof of a god, just like there is no 100% proof that there is no god. To confuse faith with knowledge is not something a typical INTP would do. But at the same time, that doesn't mean that there is not a correlation between faith and knowledge. Ergo, are we dreaming that we are a butterfly, or a butterfly dreaming we are human.
To simply extol that having faith in something means it is correct is wrong, it simply means you are confusing what knowledge really means. An INTP does not dismiss a god, and if they believe in one, simply having the INTP trait would mean that they would also seek a flaw in their faith. It's inherent to being INTP.
if you believe in multiple
if you believe in multiple universes you believe in god.
if the christian god is to be believed then he is all powerful and can travel between universe. because there are infinite possible universes there must be one with at least one christian god who is all powerful therefor there is a god!
this also brings up the point that somewhere out there (where ever there may be) there is an all powerful flying spaghetti monster. that is where the main debates come in. i choose to remain ignorant because i know i will never know the true answer but that does not stop me from thinking on it endlessly. this is not my conclusion just an interesting inquiry and i hope every one to come to his or her own conclusion on god and so forth.
"if you believe in multiple
"if you believe in multiple universes you believe in god."
This is false. You're obviously not an INTP.
I have been reading some of
I have been reading some of this discussion on faith and whether or not belief in God is consistent with an INTP personality type. But I think the discussion cannot be very clear without defining precisely what faith is.
Faith has two meanings, the first of which is nearly synonymous to trust. Thus a person who has faith in God in this sense, trusts him, in a similar way that they would trust a close friend whom they had faith in. They would also through this sense trust the things they believe God has said to them through the Bible (or another holy book).
The second meaning of faith is the disciplined and continued belief (despite changes in mood and emotion) in that of which we have once been convinced. For example, I know through study, reason, and experience that spiders are tiny, largely harmless creatures who must be terrified of me if they are even aware of my existence. However it takes a great deal of faith in this sense for me to continue believing this when faced with an actual spider (I am quite irrationally terrified even of a picture of a spider). In this sense a person, who through reason, experience and/or authority becomes convinced that God exists, practices faith in order to continue believing this despite the changing moods and emotions which we all experience.
Thus for an INTP (or at least for myself), faith in the first sense is extremely difficult. Not merely faith in a god, but even in another person. This is the kind of faith that requires a leap in the dark.
However faith in the second sense I hold to be a necessary discipline of all rational people. Whatever you believe you should believe it based on its rational and logical merits and not on how you feel about it at any given moment. It is on this basis that I think people should judge Christianity. If they become Christian it should be because they have found sufficient evidence to believe that it is true.
Bluh, bluh, internet
Bluh, bluh, internet arguments.
It's hilarious to see the drivel that people write when they are completely anonymous. I humbly state that I have left my fare share of them as well, so don't get your panties in a twist about me being a hypocrite. Honestly, it's just amusing to see people argue over religion on a personality website; specifically, argue over the section describing logical people.
It's hard not to laugh, no?
The best thing I can say for all of you who have either supported or refuted the religious INTP with this is I respect both opinions... but please, do not shove them down the throats of others. INTPs don't like that. True, people should be more sensitive to the lifestyle choices of those around them, but this is the internet, and again, a webpage describing logical people. It's expected to see a-religious arguments once someone tries to advocate the death of logic. The converse would be true if an atheist posted on a religious website that they should throw away their faith in favour of logic.
But, do carry on my fellow internet users. I would like to see how this pans out...
INTPs are by definition
INTPs are by definition logical, practical thinkers. Most religions, particularly Catholicism, are not at all like this, they are spiritual and deal with imagination and beliefs without proof. Therefore, the OP was suffering from a case of childhood indoctrination, or not an INTP.
I am not 'just' INTP, I also
I am not 'just' INTP, I also belong 2 those 1-2% of the population who have the highest IQ ans are profoundly gifted, AND I AM A CHRISTIAN.
Flame Wars on the Internet
Flame Wars on the Internet are unavoidable. I too find this hilarious.
I would like to point out that most people seem to never be more annoyed by (and consequently attack) religious people when a flaw in another person is claimed to be caused by an absence in religious structure. Whatever your belief is, please keep it to yourself. It doesn't come into play here (or in many other internet discussions).
Whoa, dude, God and the 4th
Whoa, dude, God and the 4th dimension in one breath. You just made the connection...
"Only the fool claims to know
"Only the fool claims to know that which he does not know"? Really? "The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.'"
LOL to part 3!
LOL to part 3!
False. Black bear.
False. Black bear.
Logic lends to belief. If
Logic lends to belief. If there is so much intricate design in the world, how can someone believe something exploded from nothing?! Study even one of your eyeballs and ask how that amazing design came to be....or the fact that we live on earth--a planet that would cause humanity to burn up if any closer to the sun, and freeze if any further away. A Designer makes complete logical sense from the evidence seen in this world. Again, historical accounts outside of the Bible alone attest to "Jesus" and his existence... and while you would feel justified by a criminal being convicted in court by 2 witnesses, you can't believe in the testimony of over 500 people giving witness to seeing Jesus alive after His death? As a skeptical, truth seeking INTP, I will follow truth wherever it may lead....and yes, I keep asking questions as I'm never satisfied with all the answers and there is so much left to learn!
There are many other ways to
There are many other ways to be happy other than a single commitment in faith. Some find it in other philosophies, or even by being bound by one faith completely. I understand depression well, I have lived through it through the entirety of my still growing life. I know I am young, as I am only a twenty year old art student, but I have conquered my sorrow with the love of discovery... both of the self and of the world. As in introvert, it is rather hard for me to sit down with a large group of people and interact as myself... and it stresses me out to "put on a mask" and fit in. Such was the reason I myself actually turned away from organized religion. I attended Catholic school for most of my grade-years, and I found it to be oppressing to want to fit in and being pressured to fit in. My love of God was practically snuffed out from being stuffed down my throat. That's not how an INTP is. Rather, we are much more oriented towards self-discovery. I think that is why traveling the world and liberal arts was so healthy for me; I had the chance to learn from other cultures and absorb at my own pace. As of now, I do not consider myself religious at all, rather, I have the "coexist" approach. It is only logical, if you think about it. In order to avoid conflict, it's best to simply shake hands and agree to disagree... and then go out for a cup of tea together as the friends you were and will be.
Logic is what has kept me sane through my parents' bankruptcy, divorce, and resentment towards me-as they hate the half that belongs to the other spouse. By breaking down the -why- in what has happened allows me to cope with the situation, rather than pushing the blame to the maybe-maybe-not actions of your higher being of choice. Humans are in fact illogical creatures, but if one keeps calm over the situation and really... really analyzes it, he/she can understand the world with a much clearer eye.
...and as I believe I have rambled far too long on the topic and seem to have lost the point of the comment entirely, I shall stop typing now...
Well phrased! It's not easy
Well phrased!
It's not easy to open up like you just did.
I admire that.
You have just totally proven
You have just totally proven that you are not an INTP in the slightest.
Firstly to be so blinkered and say that every single INTP can only find happiness through one singular thing is, frankly, ridiculous. Seeing only one path, and one path only is not logical; it's not something INTPs do well.
Secondly, logic and ego are most certainly not the same thing. I'm not even sure how you made this connection. Ego is thinking you know everything without searching. Logic is the rules the Universe is made from; rules we can prove.
Thirdly, depression is a very complicated mental illness. You were not depressed because "logic always alludes you".
Fourthly, it wasn't "finding Jesus Christ" that made you happy. It was that you finally gave up focusing purely on money, and serving your parents. That in itself makes me wonder if you tested right; as an INTP you shouldn't feel bound to do as your family say and wish. In-fact, the mere fact that you actually felt you should be doing something for them makes me question your result.
Fifthly, you could have easily found the job you are doing now without finding Christ. You just needed the confidence boost to make you do it. Not finding "God".
And lastly; you say that you want us to have the "logic melted from your heart"... you are basically saying that you want all INTPs to stop being INTPs... logic makes us who and what we are. Our love for logic makes us exactly the people that we are. Without logic we cannot be INTPs.
So, I'm sorry to say that from your short piece of writing you have left few on here who are truly INTPs, with any doubt that you are not one of us. You are not logical, and you wish for us to remove logic from ourselves. Impossible and would destroy who we are. So no, you are not an INTP.
However, I would be fascinated to know your genuine MB personality result.
I am not sure you thought
I am not sure you thought what was said properly to the comment which was given. I think you misunderstood what was said by the person who posted the comment you replied to.
calm down? The guest took the
calm down?
The guest took the test and and obviously answered enough questions that produced an "intp" result. Not everyone will fit the archetype perfectly. No need to get fussy over their thoughts and discount their result produced by this test.
... We are only human.. And
... We are only human.. And logic can only go so far. There are many things about this world that nothing, not even logic, can explain. We only have so much information to work with. I'm not defending the person you replied to, as I agree that denouncing logic doesn't sound very INTP, but maybe that person just hadn't fully fleshed out their own logic. It is very logical to be AWARE that there are things that cannot be understood. And it is not necessarily illogical to be interested in and even to explore these things. But I do think it is illogical to say with absolute certainty that you know something about a person from one comment on the internet.. People are infinitely complicated, especially within the dimensions of the MB types. There is such a thing as a 'weak' INTP. Does not make it less valid or incorrect.. It is not very logical to think in absolutes as you exhibited.. But that does not mean I know you well enough to say you can't possibly be an INTP.. Idk. Just my thoughts. :)
I am also a Christian INTP.
I am also a Christian INTP. I am going to have to respectfully disagree. I don't believe that logic is our enemy, for God is perfectly logical. We do run the risk of trying so hard to understand the infinite nature of God, that we try to confine God into our own box of understanding. This is pride and we must seek God with humility, an open heart, and our God given gift of reason. God bless!!!!!
Is this a fake post you left
Is this a fake post you left just to get across to the original poster? Whether it is or is not, this post should be enough to weaken the trust of those he believes are his fellow type.
P.S. Muahahahahahahah!!!!!!
I am also a Christian. Upon
I am also a Christian. Upon reading the Gospels I became attracted to Jesus but have had a hard time rationalizing what he says with the "World" view or even the common "Religious Christian" view. I find that teachers like Oral Roberts, Kenneth Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Keith Moore, Kim Clement, and Rick Joyner have fantastic stories that my gut agrees with. Along with their stories, their teaching builds bridges to help me understand the New Testament to a much larger degree. There are plenty of people "flaming" these preachers as heretics - but I find that their arguments are emotional and do not line up with scripture. There are still some concepts in the New Testament that I am at a loss for such as "Election" and "End Times event sequence". I find that Christianity is based upon revelation, seeking, and listening to your gut. Nevertheless, logic can be used to tie some of the loose ends. You may question if I am an INTP - I do have Electrical Engineering and Computer Science degrees.
As an INTP, I need credible
As an INTP, I need credible resources/scholars when I'm trying to get to the bottom of something or find clarity. Truth is my ultimate aim and I find that the Scriptures are the ultimate filter for truth as a Christian. Yet, the names you listed as teachers I have studied and unfortunately they all come up short when their teachings are compared with Scripture. "Stories" and "gut" don't really make it seem like you are following your T nature. Most historical accounts in Scripture can easily find verification within other historical writings or accounts....if you are only reading stories, then I'm truly sorry as I would not place my beliefs/convictions on faith without a verifiable foundation of truth. I would encourage you to read more scholarly Christian teachers like Dallas Willard or JP Moreland, or even CS Lewis.
This honestly hurt me to
This honestly hurt me to read. There is NO WAY you are intp, you simply don't have the thinking part down. Allow me som quotes, and explainations:
"the only way t be happy as an intp is through jesus christ"
Your bigotry sickens me. I am an atheist, yet i'm also a very positive person. Anyone who knows me will testify, this is BECAUSE of logic, i can use reason to work through my problems, and put them in perspective. Just because somthing is true for YOU don't make a fucking blanket statement. Also, people, i.e. the 2/3 rds of people who are nonchristians, would say that about their respective belief systems, other than atheists/agnostics, who reallly dn't give a fuck if it's private.
"i will be praying that logic is melted from your hearts"
Y heart's logic is *beat* *beat* * skip* (i have a murmer, because DOCTORS used MEDICINE created through SCIENCE which is based on EMPIRICAL DATA AND REASONING to save my life at two weeks old. All thought is in the brain. Also, this shows you glaring difference form this type, because intps are ALL ABOUT logic.
"logic will always allude you"
First off, i think you mean illude, the two are vastly different words. Furthermore, logic is a SYSTEM it is not a GOAL it is the method by which data is analyzed. If the system is illuding you, you need to relearn it, because it is rather simple.
"i will be praying... You can give your deepest feelings and concerns to the feet of our King"
You may be content in svitude, but others are not, language like that is one of my greatest issues with religion: we don't need to figure anything out, gods are there to help us! Or, just a suggestion, you can learn to DEAL WITH LIFE, shit happens, deal with it, don't go groveling to an imaginary sky-king when yu have been gifted with the best brain that BILLIONS of years of evolution has produced.
Also, you moved FROM TEXAS to CALIFORNIA and became christian in the latter... That is quite strange indeed.
If you are trolling, which i suspect you are, then well played.
Firstly, the word is "elude",
Firstly, the word is "elude", not "illude" nor "allude" as you tried to correct the person before you.
Secondly, it is not impossible to be INTP and religious. The difference between INTP and INTJ is that we focus on the abstract ideas. In all reality, we have no idea where that little chunk of super-dense matter that is our universe came from; we don't even know where the universe stands now, or where it is expanding into; in fact, we could even all be holograms, based on science. I personally am agnostic but I can see God as a potential justification for that gap between what we will never know-- that which humans are unable to grasp-- and science that we can observe. Some of religion is outdated, yes, but that provides no reason for you to say that strongly religious people "sicken you" or assume that they are incapable of thinking.
This fooolish crap gave me a
This fooolish crap gave me a good long laugh. Your unmitigated ignorance is astounding to such a level that it gives me cogitative difficulties. Faith is the end result of stupidity, fear, and a sense of self-worth similar to gutter rats. I'm saddened to see yet another supremely gifted individual fall so low.
Truth > Happiness
Truth > Happiness
Spoken like an INTP!!!
Spoken like an INTP!!!
This baffles me. Not only are
This baffles me. Not only are you insulting INTP for believing the most rational option available, with evidence, that is widely accepted, but you're claiming that Christianity aka religion aka something that can be falsified more easily than fossils.
It's up to Christians to prove that God exists. You dont get special treatment over other religions and myths like Thor, Athena, and the Boogeyman. And your only proof is the Bible and the existence of the Earth. Both of which are not PROOF.
As an INTP, i've got a theory on why people believe in religion at all. Indoctrination. People don't develop higher thinking until they are at least in their teens. If you're indoctrinated at 3 being told that God exists then you probably believe in it to the point of overriding your logic. I bet you believed in Santa too, because I did... Until I rationalized his nonexistence.
And anyone can make anything sound ridiculous. Christianity is the belief that a cosmic jewish zombie created us and will save us in the future from some inherent evil inside of us. Evolution has been rationalized, Christianity hasn't. I won't bother explaining why evolution is true because if you were INTP, I can only conclude that there is something clouding your judgment.
Indoctrination is only part
Indoctrination is only part of it. I honestly think emotional damage is a bigger cause. It's the main reason people seek religion: comfort. It gives you reason to believe the big bad world is really meant to be that way, that someone in the sky loves you no matter who you are, that your enemies will be punished, that you won't really die someday and return to nothingness. For a conscious being, the world is a scary concept, especially when you consider there may be no rhyme or reason to anything. Children often invent imaginary friends in response to emotional scarring. I see many children when I look at adults today.
I was heavily indoctrinated from birth up to leaving at 18 for college, being raised in a very strict Catholic household. We prayed daily, went to church more than once/week. We said the rosary at night. It didn't stick. I remember I first started questioning at age 7. I believed less and less (and was forced to pretend/fake it more and more) until around 15 or so I knew I didn't believe any of it and I was pretty sick of pretending.
INTJ here. And a Christian
INTJ here. And a Christian as well. I don't forsake logic for comfort or any of that. I have questioned everything I believe. I gave everything over to scrutiny and logic. One question each person should ask is "Who is Jesus?" Many, many historical documents give evidence for his existence. However, the thing that separates him from the rest of religious figures is that there were so many people who attest to his rising from the dead. Over 500 people. There is too much history to blot out his existence on earth.
Secondly, I do see some validity in evolution as far as people and animals adapting to their environment. However, we have absolutely no proof that anything can evolve outside of its species. It was merely a generalization (in my opinion, false) from observed genetic adaptation.
Thirdly, how was life started? Wouldn't it seem less logical to believe something like a bacteria forming on the backs of crystals in stalagmites--and every form of life pinpointed to that--than to believe than an intelligent Creator incepted life? Are YOU an INTP? Because that seems pretty absurd to me.
Lastly, if you want purpose, not believing in God will leave you unfulfilled. If you don't care about purpose, I'm sorry. You will have to face God's wrath. However, if you decide you want to believe, repent of your sins and follow Christ wholeheartedly. They're not my rules--they're his.
Belief in Christianity simply
Belief in Christianity simply arose from our self centered belief that an anthropomorphic god that resembles humans lives up in the sky. This universe is huge and the earth is but a tiny speck. There are millions of other planets out there that may house other types of sentient beings. To think that a god up there who resembles us controls the entire universe is reminiscent of the time humans believed that the earth was the center of the universe. And yes, the church opposed scientific advancement and prosecuted Galileo for suggesting otherwise. Now, the theory of evolution is the next theory under fire due to religion once again stunting intellectual advancement. The theory of evolution is not "theory" as many believe, it is an established scientific fact, the same as the germ theory of disease. There is fossilized proof within layers of rock showing organisms gradually evolving, and there have been laboratory tests where multiple test tubes with the same microorganism were isolated, and only one test tube of the microorganism evolved to be able to consume the chemical they were floating in. That is not all the evidence either, but I won't elaborate further. The universe is a place of change, to think that species are changing is not difficult to believe.
The age of the universe is
The age of the universe is huge, but it is finite. The universe had a beginning. Everything that begins has a cause, therefore the universe has a cause. The question "who created God?" leads to "Who created the one who created God?" and so on, that is, an infinite regress, which is tremendously unlikely to exist in reality. God does exist. Galileo was a Christian who believed the then accepted geocentric physics of Aristotle was wrong, and the scholars of the time disagreed and asked for his judgement by the church. This history is well explained in the book The Physics of Christianity, by Frank Tipler. Newton, Kepler, and many other scientists were Christian. The mechanism of evolution is too complex to be a product of chance. By the way, I'm skeptical about chance. Intelligent Design makes much more sense than chance.
Cordially,
synergyzer07 (a Christian INTP)
Regarding God's wrath, I want
Regarding God's wrath, I want you to think for a moment what giving us free will really did. I feel I need to make this point based on the assumption (however wrong it might be, god forbid I try to predict an INTJ's next move) If I were to ask why God gave us free will to make our own decisions if he would punish us for making the wrong decision, I would imagine, based on normal christian rhetoric, that you would say it's part of his divine plan. This is a statement that is inconsistent with the nature of free will, it's saying he has planned who will go to hell ahead of time. Now that you've had time to think about it, please consider the conclusion I've reached. Free will only gave us the ability to disobey God. So, in my mind he would be an evil genius who has created a species that can do wrong, just so he can punish them do to his moral code. Also, this humanizes a bit too much for me. Another point I have is that none of his "miracles" are that great or unbelievable. For instance when you hear a christian say "I forgot to pay my library fees so I called up there to how much I owed and guess what, all the fees were gone. This must have been God." I want to see a new dimension pop up in the middle of my living room, some crazy inconceivable things pop out or something. Even then, I don't even know If I would budge.
I am very interested in what
I am very interested in what you have to say. The tone and delivery could use some life experience. "I feel ashamed to be...." ?? and such. I'm reminded here of The Sound and the Fury.
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