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INTPs are philosophical innovators, fascinated by logical analysis, systems, and design. They are preoccupied with theory, and search for the universal law behind everything they see. They want to understand the workings of the universe, in all their complexity.
INTPs are detached, analytical observers who can seem oblivious to the world around them because they are so deeply absorbed in thought. They spend much of their time focused internally: exploring concepts, making connections, and seeking understanding. To the Architect, life is an ongoing inquiry into the mysteries of the world around them.
The INTP is typically non-traditional, and more likely to reason out their own unconventional way of doing things than to follow the crowd. INTPs are merciless about analyzing ideas and beliefs, and hold little sacred. They are often baffled by other people who remain loyal to beliefs that don't make logical sense.
INTPs present a cool exterior but are passionate about reason, analysis, and innovation. They seek to create complex systems of understanding to unify the principles they've observed in their environments. Their minds are complicated and active, and they will go to great mental lengths trying to devise ingenious solutions to interesting problems.
Recognizing an INTP
INTPs are often thoroughly engaged in their own thoughts, and usually appear to others to be offbeat and unconventional. The INTP’s mind is a most active place, and their inward orientation can mean that they neglect superficial things like home décor or appropriate clothing. They don’t tend to bother with small talk but can become downright passionate when talking about science, mathematics, computers, or the larger theoretical problems of the universe. Reality is often of only passing interest to the Architect, as they are more interested in the theory behind it all.
INTPs are typically precise in their speech, and communicate complex ideas with carefully chosen words. They insist on intellectual rigor in even the most casual of conversations, and will readily point out inconsistencies of thought or reasoning. Social niceties may fall by the wayside for an INTP who is more interested in analyzing logic, and they may offend others by submitting their dearly held values and beliefs to logical scrutiny.
Popular Hobbies
Popular leisure activities for an INTP include reading, art and cultural events, chess and other strategy games, writing, taking classes, working with computers, backpacking, hiking, and meditation.
Famous INTPs
Famous INTPs include Albert Einstein, Thomas Jefferson, Rene Descartes, Charles Darwin, Marie Curie, C.G. Jung, Socrates, and Abraham Lincoln.
Research on INTP
Interesting facts about the INTP:
- On personality trait measures, score as Candid, Ingenious, Complicated, Independent, and Rebellious
- More likely than other types to study a foreign language
- Most frequent type among college students committing alcohol and drug policy violations
- Have lowest level of coping resources of all the types (with ISTPs)
- One of types least likely to believe in a higher spiritual power
- Highest of all types in career dissatisfaction (with INFPs)
- In school, have lower grades than would be predicted from aptitude scores
- More likely than average to complete engineering programs
- Personal values include Autonomy, Freedom, and Independence
- Overrepresented among working MBA students
- Commonly found in science and technical occupations
Work & Careers
INTP at Work
At work, the INTP is motivated to solve complex problems in an original, innovative way. Architects want to analyze systems and ideas thoroughly to create deep understanding, and enjoy designing creative solutions to highly abstract problems.
INTPs rarely have much interest in organizational traditions, preferring to forge their own path to innovation. They hate being limited by bureaucracy and rules, and are often more in tune with the theoretical soundness of their ideas than they are with the practical applications. They typically prefer to focus on creating the idea, and to leave the tedious details of implementation to someone else.
INTPs work best independently or with a small team of colleagues that they perceive as smart, competent, and logical. They quickly tire of colleagues who are aggressive or overbearing, and can be dismissive of people who aren't as clever as themselves.
An ideal organization for an INTP is flexible and non-traditional, and values ingenuity over conformity. An ideal job for an INTP allows them to address complex theoretical or technical problems with creative, novel solutions.
INTPs as Leaders
In leadership positions, INTPs inspire others with their intelligence and innovative ideas. INTP leaders are often unassuming on the surface but catch everyone's attention once they begin talking about their ideas. They generally allow their reports a lot of latitude, preferring to set the overall goal and trust their team to solve problems autonomously.
INTPs enjoy exploring new possibilities and engaging in creative problem solving, but may sometimes get so caught up in the world of ideas that they neglect to lead their teams into action. They may have trouble hashing out details, and often leave it to someone else to create exact specifications. They do best leading competent, intellectually driven teams who understand their complex ideas and can fill in the details to create realistic plans of action.
INTPs on a Team
INTPs are thoughtful, analytical team members who contribute a deep understanding of complex problems. They are often most interested in the theoretical questions behind the team’s goal, and can help the group to identify key principles and generate innovative ideas. They tend to engage with the vision of the team, analyzing it rationally and objectively and offering options and possibilities.
INTPs do best on a team when they are given freedom to analyze logical problems in an original way. They are skilled at coming up with creative solutions, but don’t put much stock in the established way of doing things. Team members who are highly loyal to tradition may encounter friction with the INTP. Architects are typically independent thinkers who’d rather debate ideas than make small talk. They may become impatient if too much time is spent on pleasantries, and may put off team members who seek a more personal touch.
Popular Careers for the INTP
Top careers for the INTP include:
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Least Popular Careers for INTPs
It is important to note that any personality type can be successful in any occupation. However, some occupations are well suited to the natural talents and preferred work style of the INTP, while other occupations demand modes of thinking and behavior that do not come as naturally to this type. Occupations that require the INTP to operate outside their natural preferences may prove stressful or draining, and often sound unappealing to Architects who are choosing a career.
The following occupations have been found to be unpopular among INTPs, based on data gathered from surveys of the general population.
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Relationships
INTP Communication Style
INTPs can be insightful communicators,when the subject inspires them. Thoughtful and independent, they may not have a great need for conversation, but when discussing complex concepts or innovative ideas they can become quite intense and display a wealth of information and insight. Logical and analytical, they can weigh possibilities endlessly and are great at playing devil’s advocate. They love to pick apart ideas but are not convinced by anything but the most rational of analyses; they can spot a flaw in logic a mile away, and rarely hesitate to point it out.
INTPs as Partners
INTPs are independent and clever partners. They enjoy engaging intellectually and want an intelligent partner who can match their ability to think critically.
INTPs have little appetite for the mundane aspects of life, and may disregard the usual rituals of a relationship. They are rarely interested in tradition, preferring instead to design a lifestyle that makes sense for the parties involved—even if it looks highly unconventional to other people. They are tolerant of individual preferences but will rarely do something because they are told they "should."
INTPs tend to analyze the theory behind everything, and may interpret human interactions with the detached logic of a psychological researcher. They may find others difficult to deal with when they cannot understand the logic behind their behavior. When things get too emotional, they may retreat to their own world of thoughts and ideas.
INTPs want plenty of space in a relationship to explore their own thoughts, ideas, and interests. They value a partner that appreciates their ingenuity and problem-solving ability, and one that understands their need for autonomy.
INTPs as Parents
As parents, INTPs encourage competence and independent problem solving. They often do not tune in easily to their children's feelings, but will enthusiastically help them to reason out a complex dilemma.
INTPs are usually involved in their own projects or ideas and typically do not take much pleasure in the mundane, day-to-day tasks of caring for children. As a result, the Architect parent may sometimes seem distant to their children, but their true delight in parenting is in sharing exciting ideas and concepts with young minds.
Dynamics
INTP Type Dynamics
The core of the INTP personality type is Introverted Thinking. This dominant function guides the way INTPs make sense of things in their own internal mental process. Using Introverted Thinking, they seek orderly, systematic and logical thinking. They reflect to create rational understanding within their own minds.
The auxiliary function for INTPs is Extraverted Intuition. This mental function supports their dominant Introverted Thinking to help them take in information about the world around them. Using Extraverted Intuition, INTPs analyze meaning and connections in the world around them. They scan their environments for new ideas and possibilities for innovation.
The tertiary Sensing function is less developed for most INTPs, especially early in life. When this function is not well developed, they may have trouble noticing present realities and facts about the physical world.
The inferior function for INTPs, or that function which is least likely to be conscious and well developed, is Extraverted Feeling. When this function is not developed, they can have trouble noticing the emotional experience of other people and considering their needs.
INTP Under Stress
INTPs may become stressed in situations where they are not able to separate themselves from others to analyze and reflect. The Architect recharges by turning inward, and when they are deprived of this private time and space, stress often follows. INTPs are particularly stressed by dealing with other people who are highly emotional. They tend not to understand strong emotions and feel helpless to deal with them. They often chafe in very traditional or structured environments; feeling a lack of flexibility or limitations on their options, INTPs often react with stress.
A stress response in INTPs often manifests as an uncharacteristic inability to focus and analyze. They may become lost in a myriad of details and become confused. Their usual grip on logic turns unpredictable, and they may focus obsessively on insignificant data. Because the INTP’s inferior function is Feeling, they will often find themselves increasingly sensitive to others when under stress. They often feel rejected and unloved, noticing even the smallest slights. INTPs under stress often experience emotional states which are unfamiliar to them, and may express their feelings in unpredictable outbursts.
INTP and Change
INTPs are typically excited by change, and enjoy the process of visualizing possibilities in great depth and detail. They have little, if any, attachment to the status quo; for the INTP, the possibilities for innovation and creativity in the future are vastly more interesting than the realities of the current situation. INTPs typically have tremendous focus when it comes to thinking through the many avenues for innovative change, but they may be less interested in implementation. Often, the idea itself is satisfying enough.
INTPs can be a tremendous asset in a change situation when their talents are put to use. They are complex and creative thinkers who will thoroughly conceptualize the possibilities for the future, and so are invaluable in the intial, problem-solving stages of a change. However, they tend to have little patience with details, and often find practical limitations frustrating. They are are rarely interested in the detailed planning and methodical progress that is often required to implement a large-scale change. They are best adapted to change when they can conceptualize the possibilities in depth and leave the practical implementation to someone else.
Comments
I just discovered myself as INTP and you just undressed me.
I just discovered that im an INTP...makes me proud that its rare for women
I was reminded only the day of one of Einsteins quotes (your picture here reminded me). The definition of madness, do you recall it?
"Doing the same thing over and over yet expecting the same results each time"
The man was a literary classic as well as a brilliant mind!
funny how I'm in the group that is least likely to believe in a spiritual power and yet we are supposed to be logical and think of complex systems which are hard to explain. but what could be more interesting and more hard to explain then spirituality and free will in it's actuality and if we care for freedom then we must know that without God or a higher power then we are just like any other computer, simply following commands with only the illusion that we are truly in control. many people think that if their were a God then he would restrict are free will and be controlling us but to me the only way we can have free will is if their is an extra dimensional being higher then the governing powers of time, space and matter which could give us the ability to have true free will and be more then a simple program that spontaneously generated from nothingness along with the rest of the universe. By the way if you're a fellow INTP who has studied the modern evolutionary theory and agrees with it, then I feel ashamed to be in the same personality type as you. And by studied I don't mean simply looking up stupid internet articles and reading national geographic magazines, I mean getting books on it (by evolutionists) and laughing at their outright idiocy (they're like comedies, especially when you compare two of them and find tons of inconsistencies). Anyway to end this comment I would just like to say that I don't care if you don't believe in necessarily a God but if you are a straight atheist (no spiritual realm, we're literally just physical components who randomly appeared on a random planet in a universe that came from something that was just randomly there, which contradicts it's own laws by the way..., and that we are just computers with no true free will just following our programming) then you are a straight idiot.
I suggest you to read Henry Bergson's "Creative evolution" (if you didn't do that already). He compares all different evolution theories and points mistakes, made in logical sense. Synthesis of all those theories and Henry Bergson's one leads to more flexible and creative theory of evolution. Not so mechanical.
take a look.
(sorry for broken english)
"By the way if you're a fellow INTP who has studied the modern evolutionary theory and agrees with it, then I feel ashamed to be in the same personality type as you."
How ironic... Charles Darwin was an INTP...
Awesome comment,
I am a Christian INTP. The only way to be a happy INTP is through Jesus Christ. Only when understanding is put to the side and the layers of logic (ego) break free from your heart -are you then able to experience God and his intimate love. Being an INTP is awesome. I love it with Christ. I used to be so depressed. I went through depression in college because logic will always allude you. Logic is the enemy. Logic is the ego that is trying to make sense of everything. The vastness and multitude of God and his everlasting love and overwhelming presence bypasses all logic and understanding. I am 24 years old and have never really enjoyed having a job. I recently found Jesus Christ about 8 months ago. In Gods words, he says "Seek me, the kingdom of heaven, and all these things shall be added on to you." Our heavenly father means this literally. Ever since I stopped seeking money or a job to fit in and please my parents I HAVE BEEN ON HEAVEN ON EARTH. You do not need to seek money. Seek stillness and seek God and his presence. Since then, I have moved from Texas To Los Angles CA where I am now beginning sell product ideas to Billion Dollar Companies. This is just the beginning. Anyways, my point is- we all know there is a God. He created us. We did not create ourselves. That is in his word. He is the beginning and then end. LIFE and GOD BLOW MY MIND!!!!!!!!! Have fun INTP's and I will be praying that logic is melted from your heart and you can give your deepest feelings and concerns to the feet of our King.
I'm a very string female intp and! I so strongly believe in God. And I'd question every aspect of apparent evolution. Then again, I'm easily annoyed by nonsense.
Amen to that! I find evolution and all the so-called evidence a bunch of nonsense.
I am also a female INTP. I can't imagine my life without GOD. Tried to when I was younger (borderline agnostic) but GOD is not a religion to me. God is a spirit,a being that I draw strength. Love being an INTP. :)
i'm an intp, i'm a christian, and i find evolution hard to deny. direct evidence of speciation is available within the last 25 years, one noticable case being discovered by a man who was a teacher of mine and a christian at a christian college. the belief in both evolution and god is both reasonable and logical when looked at from a wide enough perspective.
The answer would be that evolution occurs over time, and time is "relative." A nice example being the creation of the universe within seven days, when, in the absence of a universe, no frame of reference for a "day" (as we know it) would yet have existed! ;- )
i think anyone who takes the easiest answer available (ie god did it) with such an important question cannot consider themselves logical thinkers.
you need to honestly reflect on your upbringing and the emotional attachment you place on your god. if you are truly intp you will
easily be able to separate that from rational logic.
i of course can't say there is no chance a creator exist/s/ed , but i can't
100% say there is no such think as unicorns, bigfoot, or the celestial teapot.
to limit yourself to such a base understanding when the possibilities beyond it contain so much to be amazed by. to see the awe of the universe
as a natural creation without intent is about the most humbling, amazing
thing i can think of.
i feel sorry for those who would attribute it to such a shallow concept, most often pictured as a vengeful, hateful, unreasonable being. and that does include the 3 abrahamic religions.
you say you are ashamed? don't be. i am for you. you are squandering the short life you have believing in monsters under the bed.
If you feel like it is a waste of life to believe in a god. So be it. You probably would be wasting your life given your misguided notions about who he is. But some of us do not believe we are wasting our life. We worship our god and fellowship with fellow Christians the same way you go to a football game, or party in front of the television. It is what we love doing. We study the mechanisms of science. If you want to believe that the dirt created itself, you go right ahead, but do not say I am wasting my life because I am enjoying every minute of it.
By the way, if hypothetically you were correct that there is no God, then I will have no regrets. I will die and disappear, never the chance to look back on my life and think, "I should have ruined my life with drugs and alcohol. I should have had careless relationships with many women." I doubt I would because I see everyday what those things produce. But with no afterlife, I would have no chance to regret.
On the other hand, if there is a God, you will have plenty to regret. ;). There will be an afterlife and you will have plenty of time to look back at your life and think about how you should have lived it.
I am not trying to scare you or anything; I just want to demonstrate the thought I put into this. I never decided on a whim, but now that I have decided, I realize how much happier my life is with a belief in a higher power, no matter what you think that higher power is.
I don't think there's anything wrong with a person's beliefs. I personally can't wrap my head around the idea of a god because it just seems too irrational. That's just me and I could be totally wrong...but religious nuts who make assumptions and judgments about other people and their lives make me angry.
"I should have ruined my life with drugs and alcohol. I should have had careless relationships with many women."
Excuse me? Who are you to make assumptions about other people. Just because someone doesn't believe in God doesn't mean that they're druggies and alcoholics. And there are a lot of people who do believe in God who commit those same mistakes. So please get off your pedestal.
"On the other hand, if there is a God, you will have plenty to regret. ;). There will be an afterlife and you will have plenty of time to look back at your life and think about how you should have lived it."
So you're basically implying that we're going to "hell"? It saddens me that you praise so highly a god that would put people in hell just because they were skepticsl...
Sincerely,
The Proud Atheist
I am an extreme INTP female and I have never second guessed the existence of God. Any other theory I have heard makes no since at all to me. There is too much beauty in the world, to much structure in nature for this to all of have just happened without an amazing creator. The first time I heard of us evolving from an ape I laughed for a day straight. Since then I have seen things I can not deny and felt things while being prayed over that cannot be explained. There is no denying the truth that is within me. You will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free.
Jn 8:32
It's possible to believe in a god and accept that evolution is real. I work in a genetics laboratory and it's undeniable that evolution has happened. Evolution, and science in general, is something we were meant to discover and understand. I believe in a god who created this world and gave mathematics its beautiful precision, but I remain very skeptical about his follower's preachings.
I agree. I am a Christian, but I seriously question if everything in the bible is 100% accurate. To be honest I don't like reading the Bible. I do enjoy encouraging parables and stories, but I prefer to worship GOD through my actions and my faith.
Man made theories and publications make me queasy.
The irony of all this divine creation verses evolution talk in the midst of a group of INTPs (myself included) is that, for an INTP, it requires a denial of oneself and our natural way of thinking and synthesizing information to arrive at the conclusion that God is real and is the sole creator of everything that exists. Why? These things are spiritually discerned, not logically so (1 Corinthians). However, speaking from personal experience, the INTP who does deny his thinking and all-powerful logic, dies to himself, and follows Christ, will find that God happens know he is an INTP, and is willing to fulfill the INTPs necessity for sound reasoning (something even God is quite fond of) and provide logical explanations for almost anything the INTP desires to understand. It remains, however, a spiritual process. If it were not, there would be no need for God to be involved at all, which is foolish — we need Him desperately.
Yes, it's a bit like Nancy Pelosi saying Congess must pass a bill in order to discover its contents. It makes me feel my intelligence has been insulted. However, I cannot deny what I have experienced and know intimately. God is real. Christ is who he said He is. We are hopeless and our logic cannot save us. We need Him.
Now the real question is why are you guys arguing about god when this page is about the characteristics of an INTP person like myself. As far as I can tell you guys just found the most controversial subject briefly metioned in this article to start up a ridiculous argument.
As an INTP Christian I love the Christian commentary.
Bringing us back to "the characterisitcs of the INTP": can anyone add any personal insights into the following reference? I have found several like this one and I am trying to get a sense for how INTPs perceive the visual world differently from the 'other worldly beings'.
"When viewing photographic images, say in magazines, the overriding concern is for how the photo is conveyed; its mood, its colour, contrast and shading usages, its perspectives and image quality. However, the actual subject of the image, which other types are likely to concentrate on first, takes a back seat unless it is unavoidably dramatic. Hence, INTPs may convey a very critical and impersonal approach in discussing images, which could lead to offence in some situations."
Personally, I seem to overlook aspects of what people commonly see and view pictures, people and situations in an abstract metaphhysical kind of way that no one else seems to get.
Oh gee, apparently it's a sin to realize mental limits so we can focus our mindsets on something else. Apparently, INTPs must rebel against certainty, all joys of spirituality, emotions, and what can be because they are friendless democrats.
As far as Evolution vs Creationism goes, I beg mercy with Newton's Flaming Laser Sword.
I'm tested as Intuitive/Perceiving rather than Sensing/Perceiving while still being an "artist". I'm personally more interested in what the maker is trying to achieve and the philosophy of the making. The next process is to take that personal approach and make my own associations. The visual world for me is like one big collection of essays.
Not that believing in God makes you irrational, but promoting disbelief to something you haven't read (i.e. theory of evolution) isn't very sound. I suggest you guys take the quiz, again. Especially you, who said "We are hopeless and our logic cannot save us".
Pascal's wager is not an argument for God; it's an argument for believing in God.
Pascal's Wager is an argument for PRETENDING to believe in god.
gee, I hope nobody mentions global warming.
belief without evidence is lunacy. if you strongly believe in God and think that you are INTP you need to take the test again. and this time answer truthfully - because you are not INTP.
Yesterday I took the MBTI test and my result was that I am an INTP. I feel proud to be next to Einstein (even if it's only on paper) and I don't give a penny on what you'll say about this coment. I read yours and I see you put in disscusion the existance of God. I saw some bluffers that says that they read books and studies and then, they come here and spek rubishes about God. I understan that every little one of us is social programmed to believe or not to believe in a superior divinity at the subconscions level ( dont care if you say you're not) but please and I really mean it : think! A real INTP would accept a debate at any time with himself and I believe especially on spiritual themes. Do you think that all this is randomly! I'm shure that every one of you had read that list of most known INTP: a strange think is that they all had believed in a superior spirit and they done it whith heart and soul, not just for people to believe that tey are "good christians" I don't say you tu belive in the christian God but ( philosophicly He is wrong in so many ways) but there must be something up there. You take an iformation that you believe is right and present it with a bunch of big and meaningless words like "stupid" or "lunacy". Have you ever tried to type on the internet "Cuantic Physics" or "God evidence" or anything else. The INTP is intuitive, he gives answers without a single evidence and this is one of our worst carachteristic. But: Is it logicaly to come here like a bunch of stupids and use big words without a single idea of what is the topic of the disscusion. This most unrational. My opinion is that there is God, even ia mighty one that cares for us and loves us. But this gives birth to many more others questions: Is there a satan, a hell, can you feel pain for eternety only for 80 years on earth, in ignorance. I do not agree with this site. Mostly, INTP like esotheric things, philoshopy or anything else. I love to meditate, to debate, to ask questions higher then a+b=c ( although i love maths) I belive that your logic help you make an answer pretty fats that sustains itself with logic arguments but these doesn't mean that thatone is the right answer. Every one of you who says that "there is no God" in my opinion : is wrong.
P.S. please forgive any writting or speling mistake. I'm not a native and not to familiar with the keyboard.
it truly astonishes me that you guys are arguing about the existence of God, and meanwhile, making offensive judgments here based on psychoanalytical personality types! i'm a INTP myself and am conducting interdisciplinary literary studies, specializing in modern literary theories, psychology, linguistics, and philosophy. i just can't believe this silly discussion is taking place here. you guys are throwing out vague and generalized concepts and terms: 'freedom', 'free will', 'randomness', 'evolution', 'belief' etc., do you realize the scale of knowledge that you are talking here? and you guys' rambling has absolutely no base on any specified works of science, philosophy, psychology, mathematics or theology or other fields of works. What result can you get here when you are only reasoning/arguing with your own overstated, narrow-minded conception/mis-conception? Before you accuse anyone an 'idiot' or 'wrong', check yourself into the library and get some more knowledge on the topic that you'd like to address, you'll find that these things are impossible to discuss and concluded in such small space on an internet comment page. Get a grip and stop overspilling your egoistic views unless they contribute to a constructive discussion.
*Applause* Standing ovation.
Does a belief in god necessarily mean that god "created" everything?
Are a belief in god and a belief in evolution mutually exclusive?
"No," is the answer to both of your questions. But the fundamental question is still whether or not there is a God, because the answer to that question informs everything else. If there is an all-powerful being, then all theories go out the window, because in the same way that such a being could create a duplicate of you in an instant - that to all scientific tests would be your age, with your memories, etc. - so could such a being create the universe and the earth in six days, despite any evidence we may believe to the contrary.
We have to recognize that faith exists within us all. For some faith is in a God. For others, faith is in science, in man, in the mind. But it is still faith - believing in the unproven, and the unprovable.
Good luck in your journey, and may God bless you.
Scince the picture that is supposed to be representative of INTP is a guy doing some sort of complicated mathematics, it's probably likely that if you have never done this sort of thing (complicated mathematics at least as high as multivariate calculus, Discrete math, linear algebra and such)you may want to question your type as INTP. Only 4/15 of the occupations shown here (for free) seem to be devoid of this kind of math. Not to bash anyone, but it is probably pretty common to answer questions on personality tests according to how we would like to be or think we ought to be according to some external standard (rather than the internal one that the test is supposed to reveal). In any case, take more than one test and be honest about who you are when answering. Anyway, thats my take.
I think it's ridiculous to say someone isn't an INTP if they haven't done high level Math because the picture added and a list of common occupations says so. Am I the only one who finds it ironic that s/he's stating that you're only an INTP if you fit a specific mold. As far as I understand (and I'm certainly no expert), INTP's generally have a love of systems that can help us to understand the world and think clearer. Higher level maths happens to often full this requirement but it certainly isn't the only way. Also, you're logic doesn't appear to make sense from "Scince" there's a picture representing INTP's doing math to 'it's probable you haven't done this kind of thing' to final conclusion of 'sorry, you filled the questionnaire in wrong, you're no INTP'. Those logical leaps don't make any sense to me, even without the tone smacking with condescension. I happen to be an INTP who isn't particularly into Math, on a theoretical level I find the concepts fascinating but I haven't gotten to Calculus yet (still in HS), and to be honest I'm not even sure I will. I've always struggled more in Math than most other subjects (although, I still do quite well) because of careless errors and over-thinking. Does this mean I'm not an INTP? To be completely honest, it doesn't really bother me; so many INTPs seem determined to prove how special and unique they are defending entrance to their 'club', the righteousness of many of the comments on this page are living proof of that, and I'm starting to wonder if I even want to be an INTP. I hope this doesn't come across in the righteous and condescending tone that has so annoyed me on this page, I just couldn't let such convoluted and arrogant reasoning pass. Also, please forgive any grammar or other mechanical errors in this. I don't have time to edit this, much as it pains me, and I know if I leave it it'll never get posted.
I am an INTP. Interesting to read this long discussion about existence of God. As an older person who has "thought" about this all my life, I have concluded that every god/religion I have ever studied about thoroughly, - -every god is capricious at best. Therefore I just can't believe in them as an INTP. Just my own honest opinion.
i'm an INTP female and I don't believe in god ... I think that word is so tied up into classic "religion" - I think religion was a way for I/Estj's to have their say over all those other people who refused to join the military.
If you are talking about some other omniscient spirit rather than classic religion. Then I suggest you come up with a better word for it than GOD....
an omniscient spirit would have no need/heed of your prayers (sorry people we are all going to die) and an omniscient spirit would have no need of your money....
no amount of research can help you with this because no one out there has the answers ... if they say they do ... they are lying
"cuantic physics" ??? Is that like the God version of quantum physics?
There is nothing you can say to convince faith types that there is no god. All rational INTPs just get to sit back and smirk, before going back to the cuantic physics...
I'm an INTP and a female too so it amuses me that we're naturally smart and rare but I get low grades in school. How is that? I'm a freshman and I have a 2.5 GPA and I'm, very lazy. I care about my grades but I don't do much effort. Is that an INTP trait? And if we're smart, how come I get low grades?
I think it's ill-advised to deride anyone's belief system, be it science or religion, because in a truly logical world, one realises that it doesn't matter the substance of a belief, only the outcome. If you feel satisfied believing God, then that is absolutely your prerogative. The same goes for scientific thinkers. Because if pleasure can be derived from either of those pursuits, then clearly it's a logical choice to make. The idea that logic in and of itself must be based purely in the physical realm is a very limited view indeed. Logic is about decision-making, thoughtful consideration, and an outcome which one finds suits the problem at hand. After reviewing all of the evidence, if the logical conclusion at which one arrives is 'this was created by the process of evolution,' that is a logical conclusion. By that same token, if after examining the evidence one comes to the conclusion that 'God is the creator,' then that is also, semantically, a logical conclusion. Belief in one does not negate belief in the other, nor do they necessitate a change of heart by one party or the other. They are simply two different paths.
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